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	<title>Comments on: GTK+ css engine &#8211; now with border-image!</title>
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	<description>some stuff by Andreas Nilsson</description>
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		<title>By: GNOME Theming &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is the CSS engine (not)?</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-130418</link>
		<dc:creator>GNOME Theming &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is the CSS engine (not)?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andreas&#8217; recent post initiated some discussion about this project&#8217;s merits [1, 2], so it might be helpful to spell out some factoids. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andreas&#8217; recent post initiated some discussion about this project&#8217;s merits [1, 2], so it might be helpful to spell out some factoids. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Creating Themes &#171; dborg&#8217;s Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129986</link>
		<dc:creator>Creating Themes &#171; dborg&#8217;s Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What I don&#8217;t see is, how it will dramatically lower the barrier to entry for GNOME theming, or even lead to better themes. When you look at the web, spectacular designs are (by and large) not spectacular because of CSS attributes, but because CSS allowed web designers to precisely position&#8230; pixmap images. Positioning, however, is the least of our problems in Gtk theming (or rather, we don&#8217;t have a choice in the first place). CSS attributes alone won&#8217;t help us create breath-taking designs, so by and large it will be things like the border-image attribute (a standard feature of the pixmap engines), which will drive most visually exciting designs. I believe this is a good thing and the right way to go, but the important part here is not the CSS syntax in the GtkRC, but that we get back to embracing image-based themes. Arguably, a more stream-lined syntax would even be easier to deal with for artists, even if they have previous experience with CSS. Just because many people know CSS, doesn&#8217;t mean that artists and designers will suddenly enjoy writing code. In the ideal case, they should never have to touch the GtkRC in the first place. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What I don&#8217;t see is, how it will dramatically lower the barrier to entry for GNOME theming, or even lead to better themes. When you look at the web, spectacular designs are (by and large) not spectacular because of CSS attributes, but because CSS allowed web designers to precisely position&#8230; pixmap images. Positioning, however, is the least of our problems in Gtk theming (or rather, we don&#8217;t have a choice in the first place). CSS attributes alone won&#8217;t help us create breath-taking designs, so by and large it will be things like the border-image attribute (a standard feature of the pixmap engines), which will drive most visually exciting designs. I believe this is a good thing and the right way to go, but the important part here is not the CSS syntax in the GtkRC, but that we get back to embracing image-based themes. Arguably, a more stream-lined syntax would even be easier to deal with for artists, even if they have previous experience with CSS. Just because many people know CSS, doesn&#8217;t mean that artists and designers will suddenly enjoy writing code. In the ideal case, they should never have to touch the GtkRC in the first place. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Staudinger</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129961</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Staudinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander: the border-image feature is not worth mentioning on its own (the whole idea of CSS toolkit theming isn&#039;t really). It&#039;s more that this was pretty much the final stopgap preventing real-world themes with the CSS engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander: the border-image feature is not worth mentioning on its own (the whole idea of CSS toolkit theming isn&#8217;t really). It&#8217;s more that this was pretty much the final stopgap preventing real-world themes with the CSS engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Larsson</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129960</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andreas: No, not with css syntax. But the feature is exactly the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andreas: No, not with css syntax. But the feature is exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129905</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander: not with css syntax, right?</description>
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		<title>By: Alexander Larsson</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129901</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t the pixmap theme supported this feature since forever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t the pixmap theme supported this feature since forever?</p>
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		<title>By: Lowering The Theming Barrier with CSS &#124; jonobacon@home</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129886</link>
		<dc:creator>Lowering The Theming Barrier with CSS &#124; jonobacon@home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jakub Steiner</title>
		<link>http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=91&#038;cpage=1#comment-129881</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakub Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone asks, the ccss library is available on freedesktop -- http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/ccss.git</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone asks, the ccss library is available on freedesktop &#8212; <a href="http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/ccss.git" rel="nofollow">http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/ccss.git</a></p>
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